Talk:F. Scott Fitzgerald

Peer Review nomination

Hi @HAL333: Would you be interested in co-nominating this article with me for WP:Peer Review? I'm hoping to take it through a lengthy Peer Review process on the long, winding road to a possible FAC submission. — Flask (talk) 01:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Flask I would be happy to - glad to see that someone else has taken interest in this article. ~ HAL333 23:47, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@HAL333: Great! I'll likely submit it later this weekend or early next week, and I shall list you as co-nominator. — Flask (talk) 06:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@HAL333: Article has been submitted for Peer Review: Wikipedia: Peer review/F. Scott Fitzgerald/archive1 — Flask (talk) 17:08, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Flask and HAL333: now that the article has a balanced and comprehensive section on the works themselves (the absence of which, as I understand it, causes the previous FAC's archival), do you two have any plans to renominate it? I would highly encourage it... Aza24 (talk) 19:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Aza24: I still plan to revise the article in the coming months before renomination. I'm in the middle of a very intensive program in RL, but I should have more time to do the necessary revisions in the coming weeks. One of the criticisms mentioned in the previous nomination was a lack of thematic cohesion which I plan to address with several rewrites. — Flask (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

That's so great to hear Flask. I hope my comment doesn't come off as rushing you, I was just curious so figured I'd check in. Aza24 (talk) 19:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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Summer of 1922

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._Scott_Fitzgerald :

"Like many of their compatriots, Francis Scott Fitzgerald and his wife decided to take advantage of the strong dollar and emigrated to France, to Paris and the Côte d'Azur, where they stayed at the Hôtel du Cap-Eden-Roc in the summer of 1922, then at the Villas America, Paquita and Eilenroc before the Villa Saint-Louis, which has since become the Hôtel Belles Rives."

No Sources "Hôtel du Cap" 1922 "Scott Fitzgerald"

Can you verify?

"The couple and their young daughter, Scottie, sailed for France in the spring of 1924."

https://francetoday.com/culture/in-the-footsteps-of-scott-and-zelda-fitzgerald/

"...four years after the publication of his best-selling novel, This Side of Paradise (1920), which catapulted the writer to literary stardom and rendered him the hero of the Jazz Age, Fitzgerald found himself left with capital of just $7,000. No longer able to keep up with New York’s frenetic social life and the excessive partying that was keeping him from completing his third novel, The Great Gatsby, he made a decision. Fitzgerald and Zelda took temporary leave of their sumptuous home in Great Neck, Long Island, and their final destination would not be Paris, rather the “hot, sweet south of France”. “We were going to the Old World to find a new rhythm to our lives,” Fitzgerald wrote, in How to Live on Practically Nothing a Year, his article about the adventure for The Saturday Evening Post. “With a true conviction that we had left our old selves behind forever.” Back then, life was still relatively cheap on the French Riviera, particularly during the summer, since, as Fitzgerald quipped, it was “something like going to Palm Beach for July”. Come April, the visiting aristocracy closed their villas and wouldn’t return until winter, fleeing the high temperatures, mosquitoes and insalubrious sea breezes."

https://francetoday.com/travel/travel-features/writers_on_the_riviera_the_fitzgeralds_and_the_cote_d_azur/

"The following year they (Gerald and Sara Murphy) persuaded the manager of the Hôtel du Cap at Antibes to keep his establishment (which usually closed on 1 May) open with a skeleton staff for the summer and a return visit. A precedent was established. And the pioneering Murphys, having encouraged friends and other like-minded, free-spirited types to join them, now worried about losing their unspoiled idyll to incomers. They responded by purchasing a house at 112, chemin des Mougins on the slope of Golfe-Juan in Antibes, where they would entertain in high, if informal style. They christened the property Villa America, and had it remodelled on modern art deco lines with a Moroccan-style flat roof, expressly for sunbathing. These renovations were, however, still ongoing when the Murphys returned to Antibes for the summer of 1924 and so they booked themselves once more in to the Hôtel du Cap. It was here that the Fitzgeralds visited them that August, the couples having met in Paris that spring."

https://bookanista.com/scott-fitzgerald-riviera/

"Possibly the Murphys most permanent mark on the world we know today was the “invention” of the French Rivera as a summer resort; until they did so in the early 1920’s it had been chic only in the winter. As Scott Fitzgerald wrote, the South of France in summer was “something like going to Palm Beach for July.” The transformation began in 1922, when the couple (Gerald and Sara Murphy) visited Gerald’s fellow Yale Bonesman Cole Porter and his wife, Linda, in their rented Antibes villa."

https://classicchicagomagazine.com/in-antibes-with-the-gerald-murphys/

so fr:F._Scott_Fitzgerald needs correcting and F._Scott_Fitzgerald needs something about the Fitzgeralds, Murphys, Picassos, Porters, and friends on the Côte d'Azur.

69.181.17.113 (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for your message. Yes, per your comment, we will add some sentences regarding the Murphys and the Côte d'Azur from scholarly sources. I think we might have had such information previously, but it was likely trimmed in preparation for the FA review.

About the claims in the French Wikipedia article, I don't edit that article, but the Fitzgeralds were not in Europe in 1922. Per Tate 1998, p. 282, they first went to Europe in May 1921 and returned in July 1921. They remained in America until May 1924 and then returned to Europe.

Regarding their second trip to Europe:

"[Fitzgerald's] ledger records “Decision on 15th [April] to go to Europe.” The move was not based on a fondness for Europe or on cultural needs; it was mainly a financial imperative. Since he could not settle down to steady work on his novel at Great Neck, the Fitzgeralds would go to the Riviera where life was simple and inexpensive. (The rate of exchange was nineteen francs to the dollar, and a meal with wine could be had for three francs.) His five months of story work had gotten him $7,000 ahead, and he hoped to be able to work on The Great Gatsby on the Riviera without story interruptions." (Source: Bruccoli, 1981/2002, p. 191)

"Although the Murphys lived in luxury, with great originality and impeccable taste, they were not big rich. Gerald invaded his capital to maintain their good life, and Sara’s income was only $7,000 a year. Their houses in Paris and at Cap d’Antibes were beautifully furnished and run by competent servants. Both were seriously interested in the arts. They studied painting with Natalie Goncharova and were active supporters of the Russian and Swedish ballets in Paris. Their close friends included Pablo Picasso, Philip Barry, Cole Porter, John Dos Passos, Archibald MacLeish, and Fernand Leger..." (Source: Bruccoli, 1981/2002, p. 206)

Concerning the Hotel du Cap, Fitzgerald likely stayed at the hotel when visiting the Murphys in the summers of 1924 and 1925:

"The Fitzgeralds visited the Murphys, who were staying at the Hotel du Cap [in Summer 1924]..." (Bruccoli, 1981/2002, p. 206)

"In August 1925 the Fitzgeralds joined the Murphys at Cap d’Antibes, where they probably stayed at the Hotel du Cap..." (Bruccoli, 1981/2002, p. 235)

Regarding other claims in the French Wikipedia article:

• "The couple and their young daughter, Scottie, sailed for France in the spring of 1924." True. (See Tate 1998, p. 282)
• "This Side of Paradise (1920), which catapulted the writer to literary stardom..." True. (See Tate 1998, p. 8)
• "Fitzgerald found himself left with capital of just $7,000..." True. (See Bruccoli, 1981/2002, p. 191)
• "Fitzgerald wrote, in How to Live on Practically Nothing a Year, his article..." False: Article title is "How to Live on $36,000 A Year."

For finding reputable citations on the Murphys, I suggest searching through Calvin Tomkins's 1971 biography Living Well Is the Best Revenge: The Life of Gerald and Sara Murphy on the Internet Archive.

— Flask⚗️^(talk) 00:10, 29 March 2025 (UTC)